APD Rules feedback

iWail4

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Jul 13, 2019
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Change your rules.
Many rules are too vague. Let me post some examples:
  • No officer will be behind any staff-only corporation areas unless they have a valid reason.
What is 'a valid reason'? There's no examples. I'd change it to:
  • Officers may only be behind any staff-only corporation areas when escorting someone, having aggression or to get a wanted person from behind the staff-only corporation area.
Why? Because it's vague. A cop can think that 'checking chatlogs' is a valid reason to be behind staff-only corporation areas, while others think it's not. People might then make a complaint and this would be a waste of time.


Another example:
  • No officer shall use their powers (stun, cuff, escort, pepper spray, flashbangs & robocop) on a user without a valid reason.
What is 'a valid reason'? Again, no examples. Is it a valid reason to pepper spray someone for following the officer, while the officer is escorting someone? Or only when the officer is low? This is what I'd change it to:
  • No officer shall use their powers (stun, cuff, escort, pepper spray, flashbangs & robocop) on a not-wanted criminal, except if being in danger (for example: being low HP or being hit by a gang).
Okay, that's the first suggestion. Now the second suggestion:
Make houses just like turfs.
  • No officer will enter a House unless you witnesses the wanted target enter, you must immediately follow them into the area if seen.
  • No officer will escort a not-wanted user out of a House, not even if asked by the user.
Explanation:
Cops should not enter my house for no reason, they should stay out. I don't want to keep locking my door all day + room rights holders can't lock or unlock doors.
If staff does not get people out of the house, why would cops get them out? There's a warning to not enter houses, outside all houses, so it's their own problem if they enter.
 

iWail4

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Disallow cops from uncuffing people, except if they being in big danger. Another few complaints regarding to that situation. Cops are uncuffing wanted people FOR NO REASON (or a dumb reason).
 

Zeus

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Change your rules.
Many rules are too vague. Let me post some examples:
  • No officer will be behind any staff-only corporation areas unless they have a valid reason.
What is 'a valid reason'? There are no examples. I'd change it to:
  • Officers may only be behind any staff-only corporation areas when escorting someone, having aggression or to get a wanted person from behind the staff-only corporation area.
Why? Because it's vague. A cop can think that 'checking chatlogs' is a valid reason to be behind staff-only corporation areas, while others think it's not. People might then make a complaint and this would be a waste of time.
A valid reason isn't vague, it can be because they're low-hp, chasing a criminal who was behind counters or escorting a user out who was sent home and is stuck behind counters, at the end of the day I'm the one who decides whether the reason of a cop being behind counters is valid or not and "checking chatlogs" isn't.

Another example:
  • No officer shall use their powers (stun, cuff, escort, pepper spray, flashbangs & robocop) on a user without a valid reason.
What is 'a valid reason'? Again, no examples. Is it a valid reason to pepper spray someone for following the officer, while the officer is escorting someone? Or only when the officer is low? This is what I'd change it to:
  • No officer shall use their powers (stun, cuff, escort, pepper spray, flashbangs & robocop) on a not-wanted criminal, except if being in danger (for example: being low HP or being hit by a gang).
What you're trying to do is make rules that limit what cops can and can't do when there can be other valid reasons for stunning/cuffing and spraying other users.


Make houses just like turfs.
  • No officer will enter a House unless you witnesses the wanted target enter, you must immediately follow them into the area if seen.
  • No officer will escort a not-wanted user out of a House, not even if asked by the user.
Explanation:
Cops should not enter my house for no reason, they should stay out. I don't want to keep locking my door all day + room rights holders can't lock or unlock doors.
If staff does not get people out of the house, why would cops get them out? There's a warning to not enter houses, outside all houses, so it's their own problem if they enter.
The rule has been edited so houses are treated more like turfs.

• No officer will break down an apartment door unless in pursuit of a criminal who goes inside.

Thanks for your feedback iWail, it is appreciated.
 

iWail4

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A valid reason isn't vague, it can be because they're low-hp, chasing a criminal who was behind counters or escorting a user out who was sent home and is stuck behind counters,
It is vague and many people agree with me. What is valid and what is not? How can cops or civilians know what is valid and what is not without experiencing it? Cops should be prepared on such situations in first place and know what is valid and what is not, because I can see many complaints regarding to this problem.

at the end of the day I'm the one who decides whether the reason of a cop being behind counters is valid or not and "checking chatlogs" isn't.
At the end of the day, there could also be 0 complaints.. if the rules were not too vague. I can send you a whole list with complaints regarding to rules which are NOT strict or clear enough. And at the end of the day, you are the person to have to deal with all those complaints. Instead, you could also spend time on other things, huh?

What you're trying to do is make rules that limit what cops can and can't do when there can be other valid reasons for stunning/cuffing and spraying other users.
I am trying to limit cops from stunning/cuffing and spraying other users in dumb situations. I would like to send you a list of complaints where such situations occurred.
I’d at least make some rules about pepperspray and flashbangs. As Haidyn stated in his thread, cops don’t even know when to use those.

The rule has been edited so houses are treated more like turfs.

• No officer will break down an apartment door unless in pursuit of a criminal who goes inside.

Thanks for your feedback iWail, it is appreciated.
Thanks, however the door can’t always be locked. Maybe change ‘break down’ to ‘entering’ and ‘an apartment’ to ‘a house’, because apartments don’t exist on v4 (it’s houses) and people with room rights can’t lock a door or room owners simply don’t want to. Turfs can’t be locked neither, so I’d just disallow cops from entering houses unless in pursuit of a criminal who goes inside.

Thank you for your reply Zeus, it is appreciated.
 
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